tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post3392004412406366327..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Gentrification has Nothing to do with White HipstersM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-19022964155024119642011-03-07T09:47:09.781-05:002011-03-07T09:47:09.781-05:00It would be interesting to compare how much you ea...It would be interesting to compare how much you earn today during the crisis.<br /><br /><a href="http://rxheads.com/" rel="nofollow">Geneza Pharmaceuticals</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06138996546049340626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-32301696263928322372009-05-07T12:46:00.000-04:002009-05-07T12:46:00.000-04:00E.P., thank you for stopping by and commenting.
M...E.P., thank you for stopping by and commenting.<br /><br />My point is that gentrification is a feature of capitalism, and has very little to do with white hipsters.<br /><br />For the folks who care, and want to do something about, understanding the nature of property and capitalism is a perquisite for doing meaningful sustainable work.<br /><br />Hopes this helps.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-15577024991460271672009-05-07T00:19:00.000-04:002009-05-07T00:19:00.000-04:00Hi.
To be honest - your point sort of escapes me....Hi.<br /><br />To be honest - your point sort of escapes me. I'm assuming that this quote from your peice is your main point,<br /><br /> "A more sustainable, honest and<br />comprehensive conversation about gentrification would<br />involve a discussion of the income of the gentrifiers<br />and not just the race of the gentrifiers."<br /><br />I'm simply thinking that - of course gentrification is about the income of the gentrifiers, AND of course hipsters (of any race) migrating into an area is usually a pretty good indicator of a neighborhood undergoing the gentrification process...<br /><br />But whats the issue? What are we talking about here?? Maybe I'm just lost??<br /><br />Holla Back!<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />-E.P.<br />http://mis-educatedamerica.blogspot.com/E. Porterfield, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11560851689332289585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-76880658113132921142009-04-21T16:25:00.000-04:002009-04-21T16:25:00.000-04:00Hey there!
This is an important issue and a meaty...Hey there!<br /><br />This is an important issue and a meaty dialogue!<br /><br />Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!<br />LisaLISA VAZQUEZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583559303233985031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-56865863139168970532009-04-20T22:27:00.000-04:002009-04-20T22:27:00.000-04:00Ohhhh Dame...You hilarious....
How often do black...Ohhhh Dame...You hilarious....<br /><br />How often do black people reverse migrate to the hood? <br />======<br />We do, and I am looking for the data to support this assertion. Chicago, Harlem and Brooklyn is where it takes place.<br /><br />Read the above post. And listen to the podcast, you may find it interesting.<br /><br />Pittsburg is fascinating becuase, 15 years ago they experienced a decline similar to Detroit's, so they had the reinvent themselves or perish a while ago. There was no car industry to hold on to. In many ways, Pittsburg was the warning shot for Detroit.<br /><br />Speaking PG County..It may be my new home ock...who new...You will have to take me to brunch...LOLS..<br /><br />Hipster hate, falls under the category of natural human hate of things that are different and we don’t understand. I think a tinge of the Hipster hate is based on racism, and a lot of it is founded on the fear of loss of personal identity which many equate with their “hood”<br />====<br />Filthy and I came to that same conclusion. I couldn't figure out why so many people<br />hated on Williamsburg hipsters. In modern history, NYC has always had a group of vibrant artist's. <br /><br />I felt like recently paid tuition somewhere after reading this post. So the answer to that is a definite yes,<br />===<br />Awesome.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-61769140830747310742009-04-20T22:14:00.000-04:002009-04-20T22:14:00.000-04:00I’m in complete agreement with you on the ultimate...I’m in complete agreement with you on the ultimate aspect of gentrification being money and the influx of it raising the prices of all who reside near its proximity, but when it comes to the race aspect of it for the most part it still comes with a White face.<br /><br />How often do black people reverse migrate to the hood? <br /><br />Off subject on subject (a lil) Madd people talk about white flight, but very few talk about “black flight” <br /><br />Instead of staying and helping to rebuild the neighborhoods they grew up in, most black people if afforded the chance by elevation of their income evacuate the land of their rearing in the most expedient of manners. Such actions only accelerate the downtrodden spiral of certain urban areas via removing some of the productive people out of them.<br /><br />I say all that to point out that when gentrification occurs in America its damn near always is going to be a “White” thing in its beginning stages because they are the ones venturing where a lot of us don’t want to go.<br />In the latter stages we become gentrifiers ourselves or at least solidify the gentrification as we once again “follow the white people” to what we deem is the good neighborhoods.<br /><br />The professer Smith you put in there I f***** with…<br /><br />I can’t say I’ve experienced gentrification directly lately, but indirectly most definitely. My dreams of living in D.C where quickly thwarted when I started looking at the rental prices across the city. Everywhere in the city. It didn’t take long for me to realize why people call P.G County the new D.C<br /><br />Where I Grew up <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garfield_(Pittsburgh) <br /><br />I could still find a house for the super low. Pittsburgh’s a weird city like that.<br /><br />Hipster hate, falls under the category of natural human hate of things that are diffrent and we don’t understand. I think a tinge of the Hipster hate is based on racism, and a lot of it is founded on the fear of loss of personal identity which many equate with their “hood”<br /><br />Was this post informative? I felt like recently paid tuition somewhere after reading this post. So the answer to that is a definite yes,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-88421249115623712222009-04-20T00:55:00.000-04:002009-04-20T00:55:00.000-04:00@ AJ
I watched middle class black families leave s...@ AJ<br />I watched middle class black families leave so that they could have land, and space, that which their Southern upbringing and culture valued.<br />======<br /><br />You know what. My experience reflects that there is some truth to this. My ex husband, who is Southern, tried to teach me to drive a stick on his parents front lawn, which was about 2 acres.<br /><br />Southern Black folks DO LOVE the land. I ain't mad.<br />We use to work that shit from sun up to sun down. Shooooot.M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-67698657967901486622009-04-19T18:19:00.000-04:002009-04-19T18:19:00.000-04:00Being the second generation born in SF and having ...Being the second generation born in SF and having literally hundreds and hundreds of family members who lived in SF I can say this. <br /><br />By and large SF was a migration point from blacks from the South, which is to say that the jobs were a lure but the city lifestyle was never the end goal. Most of the black middle class families I grew up knowing moved into more suburban and rural environments because their value system was built on having LAND and a row house in SF that shared a wall with your neighbor was NOT ideal it was a stop along the way. <br /><br />I watched entire communities disappear NOT because SF wasn't inviting to blacks, heck it never had open arms for us. Lest we forget the rubber bullets and dogs from SF State, a State College that basically had to force integration and violently fought against students who wanted a Black Studies Department. I watched middle class black families leave so that they could have land, and space, that which their Southern upbringing and culture valued. <br /><br />Subsequent generations have succummed to the idea of "city" living no space, raising kids with no back yards but for many blacks who were but one generation out of the South that idea was never ideal..<br /><br />my two cents.A.u.n.t. Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342245586271716564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-18050507000383334462009-04-19T12:10:00.000-04:002009-04-19T12:10:00.000-04:00i think a lot of people moved out of the hood when...i think a lot of people moved out of the hood when the prices started to rise. they wanted to cash out to move somewhere else not appreciating that their neighborhood was IT.<br />=======<br />Wow, that is a real amazing and astute observation.<br /><br />There is always Atlanta. But that Black class segregation....I don't know if I could handle that.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-46065786691152225932009-04-19T03:40:00.000-04:002009-04-19T03:40:00.000-04:00LA is all overpriced now. i can't even really ...LA is all overpriced now. i can't even really afford to BUY in the hood. my grandma lives in Watts & at the height of the boom her house was appraising for nearly 500k. CRAZY. in WATTS! <br /><br />i can't afford anything in my high school, post-parental-divorce neighborhood. nada. <br /><br />so i'm forced to rent or move to sketchy neighborhoods. <br /><br />i felt REALLY the gentrification when i moved to NY. my first stop was harlem. the rents were still relatively low, and there were lots of working-class people & students, such as myself. then slowly everything started to rise, and i went to bklyn which was mid-boom. crown heights was, apparently, being rediscovered, and Dean St. was a hot spot. i think a lot of people moved out of the hood when the prices started to rise. they wanted to cash out to move somewhere else not appreciating that their neighborhood was IT.the prisoner's wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160398635149797677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-82268360861029898532009-04-19T01:15:00.000-04:002009-04-19T01:15:00.000-04:00@Dana,
Hello D. Good to see you around these parts...@Dana,<br />Hello D. Good to see you around these parts. Tell me how you really feel lols.<br /><br />Your comment reminded me that I left out a key part of my essay. A critique of Race-Capitalism. Thank you for the reminder.<br /><br />@Df85<br />The city went from sixty-something percent black to sixty-something percent white in a day, and many of its black residents weren't able to return.<br />====<br />Don't get it twisted. Katrina precipitated the land grab of the decade.<br /><br />With my degree, I could be seen as a gentrifying force in my neighborhood...if I had a job. :(<br />======<br />Ain't that some shit. You feel me?Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-58803235205981091792009-04-18T23:09:00.000-04:002009-04-18T23:09:00.000-04:00In New Orleans, since Katrina, this has been happe...In New Orleans, since Katrina, this has been happening a lot. The hurricane made it easier. The city went from sixty-something percent black to sixty-something percent white in a day, and many of its black residents weren't able to return. The ratio is now, I think, about fifty-something percent Black, forty-something percent white. I think this is purposeful by the city and state government, but that's a long rant that I won't get into.<br /><br />In central city and the 6th wards, both traditionally high majority Black areas, I've started to see young white people moving into the cheap apartments. A lot of them are volunteers or staff people who work for the non-profits in these neighborhoods.<br /><br />With my degree, I could be seen as a gentrifying force in my neighborhood...if I had a job. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-59890760889118078482009-04-18T21:44:00.000-04:002009-04-18T21:44:00.000-04:00p.s. san francisco is amazing. it is all white. ev...p.s. san francisco is amazing. it is all white. even the mission is all white. it is crazy. literally. the strange part is that even oakland feels less and less black no? everyone has moved out...rent keeps getting higher and higher....UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248194595900627574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-30446778791424198202009-04-18T21:40:00.000-04:002009-04-18T21:40:00.000-04:00i think that there is this concept that pre-integr...i think that there is this concept that pre-integration, black communities were more class stratified and class-integrated. the argument has been that when middle to upper-middle class blacks were able to move out of segregated communities (and did) poor and working class kids lost role models, social networks to enable social mobility and opportunity awareness, legitimate entrepreneurial investment, etc. there has been an idea that if those middle-class black folks move back that they will in some way recreate the "ideal" that was lost with integration - the same but maybe only a bit more conscious of what they are doing now that they know what happened when it got dismantled - but in fact... as fort greene attests, the black middle class folks moving in (by and large) have little interest in integrating into the poor black communities that exist (in terms of sharing cultural - such as churches, schools, etc. - or social spaces for example) and what they end up doing is creating a parallel community that, funnily enough does in some ways what the gay and artist first wave gentrifiers do: create a comfortable cultural space for young white college graduates or families to move in...<br /><br />so.. no we shouldn't hate the white hipsters. they are but the last wave of a gentrifying tide. we need to think about how black, gay, artist, white upwardly mobile socially networked folk interact with the space moved into. also, it is critical to maintain hfdc and other income restricted housing regulations so that we actually achieve mixed income neighborhoods.UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248194595900627574noreply@blogger.com