tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post431313606495416811..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Dysfunctional Ping PongM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-53541232228903760022008-05-20T13:29:00.000-04:002008-05-20T13:29:00.000-04:00Ahhhh and so it begins.If you decide to put your i...Ahhhh and so it begins.<BR/><BR/>If you decide to put your interest in your "rhetorical strategy" above the interest of indicating to the reader whose language you are using, yours/Apatow's, and the consequence is that as a reader takes Apataow's words as yours, than that is on you. Not the reader.<BR/><BR/>I did not "blow up". I merely stated that the language struck me as misogynistic.<BR/><BR/>Writing on the internet is tricky. I received my first hate mail recently from a reader.<BR/>I fucked up on my Mobb Deep piece when failed to lay out the scope of it and say that that I was deliberately NOT talking about mainstream culture and that I intended to focus on analyzing hip hop & violence by a hip hop head, for hip hop heads. A reader called me "another whiny writer who wanted to blame hip hop for the worlds woes". Its was MY FAULT that I didn't articulate the scope and I admitted it. I thanked the reader for pointing it out and kept it moving.<BR/><BR/>Which brings me to your claim that my response is reactionary feminism.<BR/><BR/>What element of my response is indicative of reactionary feminism?<BR/><BR/>What evidence do you have of me "scanning"?M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-17127685206790971242008-05-20T12:27:00.000-04:002008-05-20T12:27:00.000-04:00Hey, yeah, I see what you mean about my language ...Hey, yeah, I see what you mean about my language but I really think most of my readers are aware of my voice versus the voice being adopted. No offense to your posting, but italics, bolding, etc gets incredibly didactic and I think that would only further alienate people from the piece. Plus, my rhetorical strategy is more complicated than something that could have some quotes around it, since, as I said, I'm using Apatow's language and thoughts against him in the sense of mocking his movie's hero. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for reading and thinking about my post, but it's the symptom of reactionary feminism to essentially scan through any and all writing and blow-up when you see some guy saying "slut" and ending your frustration there.brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05331746353766612879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-37027466925783387812008-05-20T06:52:00.000-04:002008-05-20T06:52:00.000-04:00Hi, Brandon, thank you for commenting and sharing....Hi, Brandon, thank you for commenting and sharing.<BR/><BR/>I didn't label you a misogynist, I said that some parts of your piece were misogynistic. Two different things.<BR/><BR/>Full disclosure, you are talking to a person who recently wrote about how listening to Mobb Deep, the Orange and Blue Mobb Deep, feeds my inner patriarchy. I use both mirrors and magnifying glasses. <BR/><BR/>Yesterday, Rafi made the same point over and over again about how you were "just using" the "terms" of the piece. But you know what it is blood, as a reader, there was NO WAY for me to determine what were YOUR terms and what was Apatows terms. <BR/><BR/>Italics, bolding, a different colored font or quotations all could have accomplished this. By not distinguishing your voice from Apatow's, I attributed the words to you. As any reasonable reader would.<BR/><BR/>It's apparent that the issue is your words, but perhaps the lack of a distinction between where Apatow's end and yours begin.<BR/><BR/>I hope this is responsive & helpful.<BR/><BR/>~m.dotM.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-70636728453217182812008-05-20T03:22:00.000-04:002008-05-20T03:22:00.000-04:00I appreciate you taking my post seriously, but in ...I appreciate you taking my post seriously, but in addition to labeling me "misogynist" you've severely misread certain aspects of the post.<BR/><BR/>Undoubtedly, real-world "vileness" does not start in hip-hop, I never said it did, Apatow's movie on the other-hand, sort of presents it that way.<BR/><BR/>It's not hip-hop vs. country, although I've written on that topic. It's not a "vs." thing, if anything, I'm drawing the connection between two disrespected genres which may not APPEAR to have much in common but indeed do. he movie is also called 'Walk Hard'.<BR/><BR/>I can see how my purposefully offensive language is well offensive, but I'm adopting the parlance of Apatow's movies to prove my point and DISPROVE his many, very problematic implicit points.<BR/><BR/>If your point was- to quote the late, great Audre Lorde- "the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house" then I can see what you mean, but you've grossly misreading my ironic use of these words. <BR/><BR/>I won't label myself "feminist" but indeed, that's what I'm doing in this post. I use "bar-slut" as a way to present HOW APATOW wants use to see Leslie Mann's character, not as I see her or would label her.<BR/><BR/>I, then, contrast that harsh label with an equally harsh label aimed at the main character and "hero" of 'Virgin' by mocking him with the same harshness Apatow can only muster for females.<BR/><BR/>I'm confused how I'm being called-out for ironically using the language Apatow uses seriously-- or semi-seriously.brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05331746353766612879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-71865257921762051382008-05-19T23:15:00.000-04:002008-05-19T23:15:00.000-04:00hahahahaLD.You crazy.Click one of the heres, hell ...hahahaha<BR/><BR/>LD.<BR/><BR/>You crazy.<BR/><BR/>Click one of the heres, hell naw...<BR/><BR/>i owe you a phone call hunh!?!?!?M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-63552524636283222312008-05-19T22:27:00.000-04:002008-05-19T22:27:00.000-04:00i just want to point out for the record that i BEE...i just want to point out for the record that i BEEN not liking him. (click one of her 'HERE's and see the comments)<BR/><BR/>lol.<BR/><BR/><BR/>nice post.<BR/><BR/><BR/>~lightdiggaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-84030134456287155382008-05-19T21:40:00.000-04:002008-05-19T21:40:00.000-04:00Yeah....The Black music has always been the vehicl...Yeah....The Black music has always been the vehicle for that which is dark, ignorant and unacceptable.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-33637043231851169572008-05-19T21:07:00.000-04:002008-05-19T21:07:00.000-04:00You know I have to say how interesting this was to...You know I have to say how interesting this was to read and will definitely make me think twice about his movies...<BR/><BR/>And I have to say that I've noticed the "interesting" placement of hiphop music in his movies. I think I usually just ignored it to get back to the plot...and humor.<BR/><BR/>I'll revisit those movies to see this again...<BR/><BR/>But its somewhat disguisting to read his views on the vileness of hiphop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com