tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post5328010819181207066..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Hip Hop, Violence and White MenM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-70461434020092504092008-07-07T12:22:00.000-04:002008-07-07T12:22:00.000-04:00they SEE these videos, see how we treat each other...they SEE these videos, see how we treat each other, then imitate those images on their own.<BR/>===<BR/><BR/>Amen.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-8792677754605950882008-07-06T23:15:00.000-04:002008-07-06T23:15:00.000-04:001. i *heart* chris rock. i really don't think he g...1. i *heart* chris rock. i really don't think he gets enough credit for his keen cultural criticisms. <BR/><BR/>2. the comments are crazy & a sista like me is happy you getting your due shine. keep the conversations going. <BR/><BR/>3. i need to revisit my copy is Sister/Outsider. *sigh* raising a black man child is probably one of the hardest things to do. i see, daily, all of the things/characteristics i DON'T want my child to become, i see that the deck is stacked against him (race/gender/daddy locked up), but i also see hope. as people, we have agency, we have the ability to create the reality we want (or get damn close). all i can do is be real with him, teach him through actions how men & women are supposed to treat one another. talking only gets you so far, our kids learn by SEEing. they SEE these videos, see how we treat each other, then imitate those images on their own.the prisoner's wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160398635149797677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-75631950095839676882008-07-05T15:06:00.000-04:002008-07-05T15:06:00.000-04:00Is hip-hop more toxic now than it was back in the ...Is hip-hop more toxic now than it was back in the days of Run DMC when I grew up?<BR/>====<BR/>You know. I was mentioning to Filthy that I am going to write an essay called, "Hip Hop Usta Love Me".<BR/>He responded saying that, "No M, HH ain't ever love you".<BR/><BR/>I was like Fuck that. Bonita Applebum WAS FOR ME.<BR/><BR/>Beastie Boyz. Time to get Ill. Me.<BR/><BR/>Cappuccino. The first lyrics, wait, second, after Easy Does It, that I memorized. Me.<BR/><BR/>Far more problematic. I am reading Baldwin today and Its blowing my wig back, how powerful hip hop its, and how meaningful it is for me to a.) have the tools to write about it b.) have the courage to say it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Have black people reached a critical mass of what hip-hop is and what it means to the community?<BR/>=======<BR/>Uh. Your statement presumes that there is a Monolithic Black people.<BR/><BR/>There isn't.<BR/><BR/>Same as their isn't a monolithic Gay, Asian, Latino etc.<BR/><BR/>However, my question for you is what would be the purpose of this "critical mass" to such a "community".<BR/><BR/>I am not answering like this to be a "cow", I am answering because I am curious about what you think as well.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-6227085584653110142008-07-04T23:07:00.000-04:002008-07-04T23:07:00.000-04:00Love the blog, by the way. I saw your link on Rac...Love the blog, by the way. I saw your link on Racialicious and thought I'd stop by.<BR/><BR/>Is hip-hop more toxic now than it was back in the days of Run DMC when I grew up?<BR/><BR/>Have black people reached a critical mass of what hip-hop is and what it means to the community?Phil Deezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067257572907305044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-6938353535653415482008-07-04T16:58:00.000-04:002008-07-04T16:58:00.000-04:00Le,Yooooooooo.First of all modest bear, you resear...Le,<BR/><BR/>Yooooooooo.<BR/><BR/>First of all modest bear, you research project is fresh.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, it was interesting to hear Em speak on Pac.<BR/><BR/>I am guided by the notion that our purpose is to become more human humans. As such, contradictions are tolerated and understood, within reason.<BR/><BR/>But Nelly, aka, My daughter don't watch Tip Drill denial is a sack of sh*t.<BR/><BR/>Pac is no Nelly.<BR/><BR/>Having a film background, you will will understand me when I say that the best protagonists are suffering from A MAJOR contradiction. Their tension in stories is palpable.<BR/><BR/>This is what drew us to Pac. <BR/><BR/>However, Rap Video Denial is all bad ock.<BR/><BR/>If 4 year olds learn from Baby einstein & sesame street, then 14 year olds are learning from Geezy/Wayne.....M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-31093707820504880292008-07-04T14:59:00.000-04:002008-07-04T14:59:00.000-04:00Let me contribute two videos that provides what I ...Let me contribute two videos that provides what I believe to be useful perspectives on this topic. One if Eminem's music video <I>White America</I> which is him being a white rapper talking about how his music influences suburban kids.<BR/>http://youtube.com/watch?v=8OFR4L2tHe4<BR/><BR/>The second is a TV special on the documentary <I>Tupac Resurrection</I> in which rappers (including Eminem) express support for the film and for 2Pac. One of the most interesting things they say is that his music allowed subsequent rappers to be honest enough to contradict themselves (i.e. rap about women as sexual objects in one song and then dedicate a tribute to your mother or lover in another song).<BR/>http://youtube.com/watch?v=DSBuh_C7zKsLe Liuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02261877628020166714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-12452669841866067382008-07-04T14:07:00.000-04:002008-07-04T14:07:00.000-04:00Apparently the *producers* of this music, vs. musi...Apparently the *producers* of this music, vs. musicians, figured out that more $$$ are obtained by reinforcing stereotypes than by correcting them.<BR/>========<BR/>Uh. Wow. On one hand, we need to be able to "keep it real". On another living and breathing Lil Wayne. Not cool. Arrrrgggg.<BR/><BR/>The commercial music we have before us doesn't invite this communion. Instead, it portrays to white suburbia a zoo that is to be wondered at from a safe distance. What a loss for both groups of us siblings in the same family!<BR/>=======<BR/><BR/>How AM I suppose to listen to Mobb Deep when you write sh-t like this.<BR/>Just kidding. Rather eloquent, you are.M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-7307970242414954802008-07-04T13:06:00.000-04:002008-07-04T13:06:00.000-04:00I'm blown away by these comments. As another chil...I'm blown away by these comments. As another child of the white suburbs -- OC, no less -- I completely endorse Vodalus's comments. We only know what we learn and we only learn what comes before us (ignoring spiritual guidance). White suburbia's mind-bites of black culture are the news and the packaged music delivered to us for maximum $$$. Apparently the *producers* of this music, vs. musicians, figured out that more $$$ are obtained by reinforcing stereotypes than by correcting them.<BR/>.<BR/>It wasn't until I worked with a black church in Watts that I came to be accepted behind the cross-racial facades and came to be accepted by the people there as a brother, fellow son of our common Heavenly Father. <BR/>.<BR/>Their acceptance led me to drop my emotional guard and to commune with them. I learned to love them, their families, their employment struggles, and -- as intimacy deepened -- to help some in their private battles with the the abuses they suffered as children. I've seen deeper spirituality here, brought on by having no one but the Lord to trust, than I've found in my home neighborhood. The completion of this at-one-ment came with the capturing of my heart by a wonderful woman with whom I now want to spend eternity.<BR/>.<BR/>The commercial music we have before us doesn't invite this communion. Instead, it portrays to white suburbia a zoo that is to be wondered at from a safe distance. What a loss for both groups of us siblings in the same family!Dale Wighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17050904518291653091noreply@blogger.com