tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post6045410977501399301..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Musing on Precious and Shaniya DavisM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-46334447201553530152009-12-25T00:18:04.741-05:002009-12-25T00:18:04.741-05:00I just hung out w/ my homie, who went to school w/...I just hung out w/ my homie, who went to school w/ the dude who wrote the screenplay. Apparently, the original treatment had FAR MORE nuance in it re precious and mary. It was taken out. Hmmmp.<br /><br />Can we have a Bessie Coleman story? Her life is pretty interesting. But she is often overlook.<br />===<br />Shit. Wasn't she Bi? Oh. Wait, that was Bessie Smith, no?<br />That. Would be an awesome movie, and I bet Angela Davis could Executive Produce. I'm saying.<br />http://bit.ly/8lnSjXM.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-79680390533836645962009-12-20T21:54:50.417-05:002009-12-20T21:54:50.417-05:00“Its like he went Hype Williams with The Color
Pur...“Its like he went Hype Williams with The Color<br />Purple, in those scenes”.<br /><br />LMAO that is a classic analogy to Lee Daniels' pseudo similar Hype Williams cinematography. Thanks alot M.Dot for the laugh. Well it seems that your blog is a safer place for me to vent on my criticisms on this film. Whenever I give my opinions on this film, there are usually unpopular. I think because most Blacks tend to treat Black films that are accepted and widely praised by the masses (White people) as prized value. So they should be off limits to be criticized. I don't think "Precious" was a bad film. However, it was problematic and to me not worth the praise. <br /><br /><br />I have to agree with you and many others that there was not much background on the mother to explain why she was the way she was. I think it would be effective for us to understand her more. It would be empathizing with the antagonist but not the antagonist action. One of my issues with the film is Lee Daniels' change in Ms. Rain appearance. I know I know when we discuss colorism it does not go over well. I know M. Dot that you guest post on Racialicious so you probably read the post about the discussion on Ms. Rain's appearance. It was just nothing but derailing. It was known that Precious suffered from internalize racism. Wanting to be White because she felt her life would be better and having a light skin boyfriend. Ms. Rain in the novel was a dark skin woman with dreadlocks. It seem that Lee Daniels' just skimmed over that issue of her resolving her issue with her appearance. Towards the end of the film she still had the issue when she jotted her thoughts in her journal for her daily journal entries for Ms. Rain. I heard in the book she started to overcome it but why did Lee Daniel's skim over that? <br /><br />As far as the ending, it was weak. Okay you see Precious leaving the social worker's office with her two children and then what? It also doesn't touch on her dealing on she dealt with being HIV positive. I don't know M. Dot in a film aspect this film left me hanging. It was just a bunch of time spent on her mother being evil to her without much back story and also solutions to other issues she had besides sexual abuse and incest.<br /><br />Now as far as the film being received, I have to agree that Black women do not have many diverse images. We are often monolithic in Hollywood. In order for us to receive any attention we have the portray "the down trodden Black woman" it gets old and played. I do agree with the commenter that said that in order to change the singular Black stories portrayed on films and TV, we would have to diversify Black images and that includes film genres. Like Film Noirs, Sci-Fi, etc. I would love to see a film on fictional Black historical figures that do not include musicians. Can we have a Bessie Coleman story? Her life is pretty interesting. But she is often overlook.Lady Dani Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00159035061078141833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-76368148565227966062009-11-24T21:49:39.956-05:002009-11-24T21:49:39.956-05:00DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME.
Thank you for stopping by.
...DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME.<br /><br />Thank you for stopping by.<br /><br />Thank you for being honest. It's what sets my blog apart from the rest. WE GO THERE. Feel me?<br /><br />That Color Purple line is my favorite line. When you see the movie you will know what I am talking about.<br /><br />~RModel Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-89825521285010311982009-11-23T21:15:25.169-05:002009-11-23T21:15:25.169-05:00“If a viewer knew nothing about Black women and sa...“If a viewer knew nothing about Black women and saw that film, they<br />would think that we are crazy, diseased, pathological, animals”<br />--------------------------<br /><br />Powerful statement about the film, and the comprehension of a evermore racially segmented society.<br /><br />Can we blame people for their ignorance, if we literally know they don’t know any better?<br /><br />I’m a notorious non/late movie watcher.. so I’ve yet to see “Precious”. Given my Tyler Perry disdain, mixed with his an Oprah’s money bringing, the film to life, and my cynical intrigue at all of the praise its been receiving,I’ve definitely told myself I haft to see this movie so I can accurately spout my opinion on it. <br /><br />In the meantime I been reading damn every review I can find on the movie, (I’ve become very well acquainted with the "Shadow and Act"… website lately) good, and of the extremely negative lot.. <br /><br />While I’ve read and heard many things that normally might make me abhor the movie and avoid ever viewing it, a phrase I often I often view as a disdainful debate crutch “Its based on real life”, has kept me kinda of balanced in my outward assessment of the film so far.<br /><br />We all have all have an inclination to gravitate towards art that relates to us on some level, and given the fact that I was an 8 yr old living with a manic depressive, violent, crack addicted mother around the time the “Precious” is set in, the movie just resonates with me on some level, even without seeing it.<br /><br />-------------------<br />“Where did Precious's momma come from? What made her like that?”<br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />Great point and question, because there is always a history behind every finished product.<br /><br />------<br />“Its like he went Hype Williams with The Color<br />Purple, in those scenes”.<br />--------<br />Crazy..line yo<br /><br />And the whole concept of “reflected appraisal” is stirring in my head now….<br /><br />Nice read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-77399404493097798002009-11-22T23:25:46.098-05:002009-11-22T23:25:46.098-05:00i read the book when it was first released. it was...i read the book when it was first released. it was tough to get through, but i am glad I read it. I dug what Sapphire was trying to do and i think it was important<br /><br />EVEN back then I realized that quite honestly, this could never be adapted into a movie. It is just too deep. there are so many layers to deal with. <br /><br />My beef is with the movies hollywood green lights and the ones they don't. It seems that Hollywood follows the same tired old pattern. Black folks are buffoons or pathological. That's it. no in betweens. no balance. <br /><br />personally, maybe a black woman would have been a better director/writer for this adaptation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205384167481897308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-49688751762050160252009-11-21T18:39:58.716-05:002009-11-21T18:39:58.716-05:00@Teresa,
I am glad you like it
@Dsxyfmme85
Thank ...@Teresa,<br />I am glad you like it<br /><br />@Dsxyfmme85<br />Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.<br /><br />I am going to ask you a few questions.<br /><br />My intent is to make connections between your comment and push you further. I hope that you receive them in the spirit that they are intended.<br /><br />1. What is the connection between the ways in which Black people are presented and the ways in which White people are presented in movies and television?<br /><br />2. Whose interest are being served by Black folks being presented as "gritty" and "real" but never scientific, loving, complex, or in fantasy realms?<br /><br />3. How sigificant is it that Precious can get made but a Halle Berry Denzel movie cannot and arguably will not get made, Unless Black women pay for it?<br /><br />4.What is the connection/differnce between the art being made now and the art made from the Black arts movement (which explcitly made films, literature FOR Black people about Black people)?<br />Why is this significant?<br /><br />~ReninaModel Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-49266661048447458272009-11-21T15:10:59.713-05:002009-11-21T15:10:59.713-05:00Thanks for this review I will most definitely read...Thanks for this review I will most definitely read the book before watching the movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-48484038333573043452009-11-21T06:47:37.064-05:002009-11-21T06:47:37.064-05:00By creating a fantasy for Black people, I mean loo...By creating a fantasy for Black people, I mean looking into adapting stories or folk tales about Black people that are about more than slavery and the Civil Rights movement. If you look at all mainstream movies, they are all some type of fantasy, from the romantic comedies to the historical dramas to the action-adventures. We've got the comedy thing down, and the gritty realism down (and comedy tends to be how people deal with extreme pain, so those two are related), and Tyler Perry seems to have the melodrama thing down, but we should be doing more sci-fi, more family dramas (because there should be more than just TP's stuff), more psychological thrillers, more film noir, etc. Then Black films would be more well rounded, and stories like "Precious" wouldn't be so controversial.<br /><br />I was talking with my landlord who was a member of SNCC and participated in the voter's rights fight. He was saying that so much of our history was oral for so long that during times when our communities have been separated and destroyed by various obstacles, these stories have been lost and all we know now is what we learn in public schools. I'm not saying that all Black film should be adapted from true stories or old folk tales, but I do think that it would be uplifting for Black people to see that our history is more than our victimization, and that there are more people than just the singular figures like MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. who changed our lives.<br /><br />I'm feeling rambly, but it's 5:45am on a Saturday and I can't go back to sleep. I hope that answered your question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-75068793445925787652009-11-20T16:55:14.086-05:002009-11-20T16:55:14.086-05:00but it would have been equally as insightful to se...but it would have been equally as insightful to see what causes a woman to choose her man over her child?<br />======<br />That, my dear is the issue.<br /><br />People choose spouses over babies, jobs over spouses, money over children, etc.<br /><br />All of these need to be explored becuase they get at the very fabric of what makes our world tick work and fall apart.<br /><br />Black Bollywood is hard but not impossible.<br /><br />Black women have money, raise children, and we like pretty things and to see our stories told.<br /><br />If Tyler Perry can build an empire cross dressing (because thats what he feels most comfortable doing, yet refuses to make a movie about that) then we can find a way to create sustain and support alternatie media.<br /><br />I reason like this, we got out of chattle slavery, we can get out of this shit too.<br /><br />Question.<br />Explain what you meant about fantasy creating Black images.<br /><br />Thank you for commenting and responding.<br /><br />~RModel Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-8612775244440285022009-11-18T22:50:54.581-05:002009-11-18T22:50:54.581-05:00I saw the movie at a film festival back in October...I saw the movie at a film festival back in October, and I agree that there should have been a little more background into Mary. There isn't in the book either, which may be why Daniels didn't add anything, but during one of the scenes where something awful is happening to Precious there's a shot of Precious (as a child) and her mother, I think opening presents during Christmas, smiling at each other like a normal mother and daughter. I was left wondering what took them from that to what we saw in the movie. Her self esteem being so low that she would accept anything from her boyfriend? I get that the book and movie are more for young girls who are going through abuse and incest, but it would have been equally insightful to see what causes a woman to choose her man over her child? Because, unfortunately, white or black there are many women in this country who do just that.<br /><br />I'm an aspiring actress and writer, and hope to create what you call a "Black Bollywood" (I like that!). It's a hard prospect, though, because I think the reason why some our greatest works are so depressing and miserable is because we've struggled as a people for centuries now, and have trained ourselves and teach our children not to dream. We drown in the dredges of realism. So how do you create a fantasy for Black people? I have little ideas, but it seems that when things are accepted by the mainstream (white people), black people shy away from it like it's another thing that's been taken from them. I'm thinking more historical projects, like some gorgeous vivid tale of the queens and kings of West Africa...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-31426221604308095232009-11-18T10:42:04.462-05:002009-11-18T10:42:04.462-05:00Hi Kathy,
Thank you for stopping by. I have a cou...Hi Kathy,<br /><br />Thank you for stopping by. I have a couple of questions for you.<br /><br />Given the time and spacial context of the film, if we don't have a context for Mary's action's doesn't she just appear like she was born evil?<br /><br />Don't have have to believe this in order for her scene @ the end of the movie to make sense? Isn't this manipulative?<br /><br />Why is the matriarch myth allways a great sell? Who does this myth benefit/harm?Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-89204593116452728722009-11-18T07:27:37.797-05:002009-11-18T07:27:37.797-05:00I appreciate the post too. I saw the film last nig...I appreciate the post too. I saw the film last night, and have been struggling to grasp my ambivalence about it. I am straddling my discomfort with the lack of structual analysis, and my awe at the performances. I'm not sure that Mary's actions need explanation in the way you suggest- one of the reviews said it should have shown that she had a conscience. That is as liberal as the audiences and producers selling the film. But I have to think more about how this could have been represented. I agree with the contrast made between this film and the films of Mike Leigh- suggested by Armond White I think. Ken Roach is another film-maker, more didactic (not a negative term)--his character studies always evolve in clearly elaborated social context. At any rate, the matriarch myth and myth of underclass is always great sell, along with HOPE AND UPLIFT... ETC..kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137603614531062336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-43333951090062389102009-11-17T19:28:23.574-05:002009-11-17T19:28:23.574-05:00John, I am glad you like it.
Last week, I learned ...John, I am glad you like it.<br />Last week, I learned that I am a structuralist, lulz.<br /><br />It shows, no?M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-30116396200298114312009-11-17T11:05:54.340-05:002009-11-17T11:05:54.340-05:00Thanks so much for this excellent post. I particul...Thanks so much for this excellent post. I particularly like your analysis of the lack of reference to the larger social, political and economic forces that impact the behavior of the characters in the book, in the film, and in today's society. It's so easy--and common, unfortunately--for people to respond devoid of context to tragedies like the ones you list.John Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073378940347627766noreply@blogger.com