tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post3771338068386466727..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Tyler Perry x Morehouse x Real Black MenM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-5740788883397362612009-10-27T22:56:50.102-04:002009-10-27T22:56:50.102-04:00i find it funny (ironic) that these institutions a...i find it funny (ironic) that these institutions are trying to make black folks into white folks instead of teaching them to question the current structure of things & change it. <br /><br />i'm SURE the students at Morehouse wouldn't wear a dress to an interview @ Morgan Stanley because they already know how to play THAT game. these men aren't stupid. they've played the game their whole lives & are in college--a time when we are FREE (allegedly) to express ourselves. imagine what white USC (my alma mater) students would do if the school outlawed wearing PJs to class. please. <br /><br />we constantly look to fit ourselves in the white culture when there is NOT a space for us. at any given moment we can be ousted. <br /><br />HBCUs should be bastions of revolutionary thought, not trying to force black/gay students to fit neatly into the white box.the prisoner's wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160398635149797677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-83637508089361328192009-10-27T09:33:26.118-04:002009-10-27T09:33:26.118-04:00:) at them typos lol Proof reading is an enemy tha...:) at them typos lol Proof reading is an enemy that I need to befriend...<br /><br />I think Sandra Rose’s statement of "A man can’t lead other men wearing a dress”, Has some merit when tested on the ground. As males we have been trained to be dismissive towards those who indulge in what society has defined as feminine expressions. It is easy for many men to instantly revoke any default respect for a male who inuldges in such expressions, and its difficult for others to manifest said respect towards another male who doesn’t fit general masculine ideals even when their livelihoods depend on it.<br /><br />I say “whether or not”, because I’m not wholly set on what’s “right” or what’s practical in my own mind yet in the work place.<br /><br />I feel that as a society we are in need of change when it comes to the way we look at and treat issues involving women, homosexuals, transgender people,(endless etc), in damn near every aspect of life.<br /><br />But<br /><br />I don’t know how I would implement those changes in the workplace.<br /><br />The workplace within itself is its own “society” and is generally viewed as such by most people of damn near every background you can think of. Unless there is a GRAND push to make the workplace, more like well, normal life outside of work,,,ummm scratch that, more like libertarian life outside of work, then it would be hard for me to say that restrictians on the the general office dress code should be lifted for a paticular cultrue's dress patterns.<br /><br />The corperate dress code effects everyone, not just black people or cross dressers,(arguably us more and cross dressers wholly) so I would haft to see a general societal push for change in its default make up, before I would expect for it to become more accepting of baggy pants and men in dresses.<br /><br />Ultimately tho, I find that what you wear, or how your hair style might be, has no bearing on just how talented a individual may be, and plenty of human assets are pushed aside every day due to spurious thoughts on their appearance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-83287992837201681512009-10-26T20:58:55.492-04:002009-10-26T20:58:55.492-04:00Dame,
Thank you for your eloquent response. I hun...Dame,<br /><br />Thank you for your eloquent response. I hung on every word. The Black men on THIS blog, the People on this blog ROCK and I am happy to write for you all!<br /><br />***I noticed you cleaned up them typos too! Yeah!<br /><br />But whether or not its reflective of a society in need of progressive change or not.<br />That statement does have some, practical footing.<br />=======<br />What does this mean?<br /><br />~ReneensModel Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-35933837986968716902009-10-26T20:42:10.049-04:002009-10-26T20:42:10.049-04:00Thank you for being honest.
I would imagine this ...Thank you for being honest.<br /><br />I would imagine this conversation was hard.<br /><br />I appreciate it.<br /><br />"be you on your own time."<br /><br />Wow.<br /><br />I can only think of the times throughout history<br />in which white folks in positions of power have said the same things about us.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-5630010751667882352009-10-26T20:06:02.934-04:002009-10-26T20:06:02.934-04:00The topic that your covering as a whole is interes...The topic that your covering as a whole is interesting. For the most part college campus's are supposed to be (expensive) bastions of self expression, learning and thought. Having a dress code such as this implemented severely inhibits such things. <br /><br />Upon first hearing about the restrictions, I immediately was against them on both ends. The university experience should be one last enjoyment of personally expressive freedoms before becoming embroiled into a near lifetime of dictatorial toil.<br /><br />While Cosbyesque in nature I understand the thinking behind the dress code, but if one doesn’t understand what is and isn’t permissible in the corporate environment by the time they try to break into it, that’s on them.<br /><br />Sadly while our country extols it democratic ideals, the jobs our very existence is dependent on jobs that are anything but. Given that reality, we must adapt or perish.<br />Du-Rags aren’t gonna cut it, neither are high heels on males.<br /><br />Even given that tho, I don’t think its right for any college campus to forcibly prime you for the corporate dress code.<br /><br />I see the logic in Moya’s statement of:<br />"Good" black men don't wear high heels or<br />sagging pants. There's been a lot of talk about how heels or sagging<br />pants won't fly in corporate America, as if to say the ultimate goal for<br />Morehouse men is to become black versions of the CEO's and capitalists<br />that are destroying communities of color with unliveable wages, gentrification,<br />environmental racism, and hazardous working conditions”<br /><br />I mean I often thought of crafting a t-shirt with a stoic looking white business man in a suit and under his picture having “THUG” spelled out. I still look at her statemen as being dismissive towards the the ultimate goal of crafting professionals tho.<br /><br />America has a profound strain of ignorance within it. Black folks are American, so it never amazes me when black people say dumb s***<br />“A man can’t lead other men wearing a dress” at its base is small minded, and automatically dismisses whatever talent and skill set said male dress wearer might have.<br /><br />But whether or not its reflective of a society in need of progressive change or not.<br />That statement does have some, practical footing.<br /><br />When answering “what are we scared of” I first haft to state that we are products of our domestic environment, so a lot of our views on what “man hood” is and gender roles should be, are as American, as they are Black.<br /><br /> So even if I don’t particularly agree with the word “scared” I will say a large segment of the black male populous doesn’t want to be, nor likes to see of others of his ilk, viewed as effeminate, for they see that as anti manhood, just like the average white male does.<br /><br />I would say that the anit, du-rag, corn rows, baggy pants, mandate stems out of the fear that you wise college students will fail to conform to common business mores and ultimately not achieve levels of success because they wanted to retain customs normal to them in arenas (most) which they have no power to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-3014370500229986672009-10-26T13:12:56.616-04:002009-10-26T13:12:56.616-04:00According to your rationale we would still be on
a...According to your rationale we would still be on<br />a plantation, "Massa say we's can't leave, so I'se staying."<br />=====================<br /><br />I wouldn't be down for that per se. lol.<br /><br />But I can't front, the rule is partly ok to me because I wouldn't want to see that if I was there. I wouldn't say I'm a homophobe... but be you on your own time. We have a lot of cross dressers & flamboyant people in my city. And if you look at them, they get defensive regardless of whether you say anything or not. Don't do something for attention and then try to act like you don't want it when it comes.M.Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11197521834539980946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-76096476961600993292009-10-26T10:36:44.950-04:002009-10-26T10:36:44.950-04:00MZ,
Thank you for providing the context re HBCU&...MZ, <br /><br />Thank you for providing the context re HBCU's and their histories.<br /><br />With regard to the schools and their rights vs the students and their rights,<br />perphas we are riding for two different assumptions here.<br /><br />I ride for Black folks and resistance.<br /><br />Fuck they rules. Humans MAKE rules and Humans <br />change rules.<br /><br />According to your rationale we would still be on <br />a plantation, "Massa say we's can't leave, so I'se staying."<br /><br />Never those on my homie.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-29982557865396998302009-10-25T13:38:16.745-04:002009-10-25T13:38:16.745-04:00Whether it's fake or arbitrary, it is what it ...Whether it's fake or arbitrary, it is what it is. If they got the papers that allow them to do it and get away with it, they can simple as that.M.Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11197521834539980946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-72618071190304519532009-10-25T11:19:52.715-04:002009-10-25T11:19:52.715-04:00MZ,
Why is it permissible for private institution...MZ,<br /><br />Why is it permissible for private institution to do this, but not a public insitution?<br /><br />The notion of public re private, is abritrary, fake and a legal fiction based on an insitutions corporation papers. Privateness is a definition that can be collapsed by making the arguement that IF YOU RECIEVE federal money your ass ain't public. <br /><br />THIS is the rational for enforcing Title IV and Title IX, meh thinks.<br /><br />Brother O.<br />Thank you.<br /><br /><br />Where are the WOMEN readers?Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-4382177546673676082009-10-24T22:52:13.768-04:002009-10-24T22:52:13.768-04:00man, I thought I was hard on Tyler Perry...
i can...man, I thought I was hard on Tyler Perry...<br /><br />i can dig it<br /><br />dope post...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205384167481897308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-40840925486986118092009-10-24T12:11:39.329-04:002009-10-24T12:11:39.329-04:00Why is Morehouse more concerned with making
folks ...Why is Morehouse more concerned with making<br />folks assimilation worthy, and less concern with the sexual assaults of men and women on and near campus?<br />==================<br /><br />Because it's more quantitative and they can show results to alumni. Remember they have to sing for their supper so to speak. <br /><br />What is the point of trying to assimilate for some jobs that are being eliminated faster than they are being created?<br />=============================<br /><br />what's the point of going to school then? It's the status quo. Plus these HBCU's were equal parts finishing school & place of higher education to begin with. So it's ingrained in the culture of the school. Times have changed, but alumni (especially older alumni) still expect the schools to be like that & their children make up a majority of the enrollment.<br /><br /><br />Schools and Universities are microcosms of society. What does it mean if Tyler Perry built a Kingdom dressing like a grandmomma, but these men on Morehouse's campus spur the creation of draconian dress rules?<br />============================<br /><br />It means that, like you said, society can handle the idea in a fantasy setting, but not the underlying issues behind it.<br /><br />Had this been anywhere other than a private institution, I'd cry foul on it.M.Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11197521834539980946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-1814808964402581772009-10-23T15:57:52.660-04:002009-10-23T15:57:52.660-04:00MZ,
Why is Morehouse more concerned with making
...MZ,<br /><br />Why is Morehouse more concerned with making <br />folks assimilation worthy, and less concern with the sexual assaults of men and women on and near campus?<br /><br />What is the point of trying to assimilate for some jobs that are being eliminated faster than they are being created?<br /><br />Schools and Universities are microcosms of society. What does it mean if Tyler Perry built a Kingdom dressing like a grandmomma, but these men on Morehouse's campus spur the creation of draconian dress rules?<br /><br />Awaiting your reply.<br /><br />~neensM.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-55128547052315203482009-10-23T12:56:26.148-04:002009-10-23T12:56:26.148-04:00I actually attended Hampton for my Freshman & ...I actually attended Hampton for my Freshman & Sophomore year... and the reasoning is to try and get you assimilated into the business world. While they're not saying that you can't have your hair that way in the business world, their objective is to have you ready & presentable for the "corporate" world in knowledge and appearance. The thing about Hampton & Morehouse are they are private schools meaning they can do whatever they want in terms of policy because they're privately funded. The rules are stated upfront and students don't have to go there.<br /><br />I don't think the cross-dressing rule is bad, because they not going against homosexuals. The school has a dress code & they can change it how they see fit. Had this been somewhere like Ohio State (my alma mater) it'd be different. But no state funded school.<br /><br />Also, Hampton didn't let freshmen boys to go into girls dorms rooms 1st semester & vice versa. So there are alot of things like that HBCUs do as well.M.Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11197521834539980946noreply@blogger.com