tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post5245601911078476933..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Re- All That Crack I Sold, I Lied.M.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-60322755747966920002009-05-07T21:55:00.000-04:002009-05-07T21:55:00.000-04:00Manean,
Love, I love you. On mommas.
I never publ...Manean,<br /><br />Love, I love you. On mommas.<br />I never publicly said thank you for<br />your kind words in January re-<br />a. Me not being my wounds.<br />b. Practicing the discipline to be someone WHO knows how special I am. <br />c. To follow my heart.<br /><br />You truly love people and it shows.<br /><br />I have a homie who is in chemo, and we were talking about some relationship troubles last week and I was like, yo....You are not your wounds and she was Like DAMMINT I AM...and we laughed about it you know...it felt good to have the courage to say it to her. I wager that, at point or another we have ALL felt like our wounds :)<br /><br />Thank you for tying together the ways in which<br />rap "feeds something inside of you."<br /><br />A lot of folks don't want to get that,<br />I imagine that it is hard for white folks<br />to get it. Who wants to admit<br />that listening to The Trinity Doctrine is a racist act? In some ways, I am thinking of dealing with this from a public health perspective. I think that is the only way I am going to get some traction and build coalition type support.<br /><br />If I can manage to get Michelle Obama's ear this fall, it is going to be a wrap:)<br /><br />It has taking me a LONG TIME to be able to criticize rap publicly. I use to be scared. <br />But scared of what? I walk in the light, at least I try to, contradictions and all, becuase first and foremost I care about the children because someone cared about me when my family fell apart.<br /><br />A key deficiency in a monetary economy is that votes (spendable dollars) on that equilibrium point are based upon each "voter’s" ability to produce goods and services which others in the economy value. This works fine for able people without external barriers like discrimination but it's why children, the disabled, true artists, the elderly, and other "non-productive" people are marginalized in a capitalistic society; they are dependent upon the producers to share their value/$ without returning saleable goods and services for it without exchanging material benefit for them.<br />==========<br />Gees Lawweese. I felt Like I was back in corporations.<br /><br />Thank you for saying this. You have articulated it FAR better than I ever could.<br /><br />speaking not as an MBA and CFO but as a person who paid a price to discover that he has an MBA and works as a CFO but who is not those things)<br />======<br />I love that.<br />Reminds me of one of my favorite questions:<br />If you are what you have, then who are you<br />when you have nothing?<br /><br />I agree that the words, images, and sounds have meaning and value. This isn’t some inconsequential entertainment because what we feed grows. The more our minds are occupied with this, the more our minds become this. There is an old saying that “as a man thinketh, so is he.” I like how one writer inverted it to by asking “how could you possibly become what you are not thinking?” Everyone who lets this into their minds experiences blacks’ death as entertainment, thus experiences the objectification of black people and this becomes part of their internal history unless they heal from it.<br /><br />So, what we value – where our treasure is – is determined by where is our heart and we discount the value of other things. I believe that the two greatest ways to have joy are through love of God and love of others, which leads to not valuing objects. Refusing to do that leads to loving objects and money and objectifying people and God. As you’ve been writing in you recent postings, the wages of this is death.<br />=======<br />Im done. You said it. Its a wrap. <br />Over. <br />Finito.<br /><br />DONE DONE DONE DONE 'EFFFIN DONE.<br /><br />~m.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-51788088033894442752009-05-07T19:15:00.000-04:002009-05-07T19:15:00.000-04:00@ Jeremy
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Thanks for your assessment. I've been ...@ Jeremy<br />.<br />Thanks for your assessment. I've been exploring and experiencing this for a while.<br />.<br />Brigham Young University, MBA (Finance), 1981<br />.<br />I don't consider myself much of a capitalist or a Marxist because those are points along the spectrum of object-value-based systems and I believe that's the critical flaw in each. This material-value basis fosters (what should be) the startling disregard for the value of human life, in either of those two systems, that this posting discusses. <br />.<br />Although the value of objects in each system is set by people -- market participants in capitalism and central planners in Marxism -- the value basis is in objects and not in people.manaenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477422681100540710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-40731111475125833252009-05-07T16:18:00.000-04:002009-05-07T16:18:00.000-04:00@manean
Very deep stuff here.
ps. what school ...@manean<br /><br />Very deep stuff here. <br /><br />ps. what school let a closet Marxist get an MBA???Jeremy R. Levinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416986198194612392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-40230021016052944112009-05-07T15:29:00.000-04:002009-05-07T15:29:00.000-04:00This is the Achilles' heel in Capitalism and in th...This is the Achilles' heel in Capitalism and in the pricing/value essay that I sent you last year. Price does represent the equilibrium point of the values that the people in the market hold for something. This economy is based upon the exchange of goods and services among its members.<br />.<br />A key deficiency in a monetary economy is that votes (spendable dollars) on that equilibrium point are based upon each "voter’s" ability to produce goods and services which others in the economy value. This works fine for able people without external barriers like discrimination but it's why children, the disabled, true artists, the elderly, and other "non-productive" people are marginalized in a capitalistic society; they are dependent upon the producers to share their value/$ without returning saleable goods and services for it without exchanging material benefit for them.<br />.<br />Love by its nature tends to exist outside of this exchange. In fact, its capitalistic substitute, prostitution, in its many forms ranging from street walkers to trophy spouses is generally acknowledged as cheapened.<br />.<br />Capitalism is an efficient mechanism for allocating resources according to shared material values but this centering on material things/objects as the indicator of value is my main objection to it. Because capitalism works so efficiently, many people come to believe that objects actually are the measure of value and so they keep chasing material increase in the hope that they eventually will find satisfaction. They become walking demonstrations that you can't get enough of what you don't really need. I believe that this frenetic seeking what we sense does not satisfy truly is the root of the issues you've been discussing lately. "The love of money is the root of all evil."<br />.<br />In this sense, I question whether racism is the source of the damages you've been exploring most recently. I believe (having some familiarity with how this could work, speaking not as an MBA and CFO but as a person who paid a price to discover that he has an MBA and works as a CFO but who is not those things) that the corporate lever-pullers don’t hate black people but much worse, they objectified them in their minds and so don’t care about the effects of what has become a successful material-wealth-producing course of action. By making black people objects in their minds, they are able to increase their object-based value.<br />.<br />This has metastasized beyond the black community. Although the depictions are of blacks’ deaths, as you pointed out, there now are more white consumers than black ones in this market. I also believe that this problem isn’t as black-and-white as you suggested: one night last week, I heard some very foul language coming from behind our garage. When I checked on it, it turned out to be one of our teenage hispanic neighbors rapping to her ipod.<br />.<br />I agree that the words, images, and sounds have meaning and value. This isn’t some inconsequential entertainment because what we feed grows. The more our minds are occupied with this, the more our minds become this. There is an old saying that “as a man thinketh, so is he.” I like how one writer inverted it to by asking “how could you possibly become what you are not thinking?” Everyone who lets this into their minds experiences blacks’ death as entertainment, thus experiences the objectification of black people and this becomes part of their internal history unless they heal from it.<br />.<br />My own painful experience taught me that love of others, not love of material objects or objectifying people, is the one thing that truly satisfies, completes, heals us. It is "the most joyful to the soul" and that after reaching the level of material well-being that quells physical pains, further material increase does not increase happiness. <br />.<br />Love of others, and of God (others' Parent), re-orients our values away from objects and objectifying. Receiving love heals both us and the giver and growing in the direction that these experiences take us yields an increase in joy rather than in pleasure. Producers then joyfully share the fruits of our production with those who capitalism marginalizes and the marginalized persons just as joyfully receive those fruits.<br />.<br />So, what we value – where our treasure is – is determined by where is our heart and we discount the value of other things. I believe that the two greatest ways to have joy are through love of God and love of others, which leads to not valuing objects. Refusing to do that leads to loving objects and money and objectifying people and God. As you’ve been writing in you recent postings, the wages of this is death.manaenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477422681100540710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-28338716084577298062009-05-07T12:35:00.000-04:002009-05-07T12:35:00.000-04:00Manean,
[still shuddering at "I have a propensity...Manean,<br /><br />[still shuddering at "I have a propensity to see the human dimension of relationships," like this somehow is distinguishing -- are we all so removed from the awareness that relationships are human and those that appear otherwise are symptoms of deficiencies within the humans who form them?]<br />=====<br />Yeah we are and Capitalism requires it. Birkhold was explaining some complicated theory that I will prolly be reading about (and blogging about) this summer about Marx's idea that Capitalism requires that we are alienated from our work, from each other, from ourselves.<br /><br />This is why we have to walk in the light Love:)Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-36643316374934223642009-05-07T04:12:00.000-04:002009-05-07T04:12:00.000-04:00[still shuddering at "I have a propensity to see t...[still shuddering at "I have a propensity to see the human dimension of relationships," like this somehow is distinguishing -- are we all so removed from the awareness that relationships are human and those that appear otherwise are symptoms of deficiencies within the humans who form them?]manaenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477422681100540710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-659770255926537472009-05-06T13:33:00.000-04:002009-05-06T13:33:00.000-04:00just an FYI
I know both of the brothers from Clips...just an FYI<br />I know both of the brothers from Clipse. I have known then since 1998 before they were big. Very good brothers who always supported our Zulu Nation chapter. <br /><br />I will point out two things: <br /><br />a. NEITHER of them ever sold drugs. they were good kids who got good grades.<br /><br />b. they spent a portion of their childhood and all of their adolescence in Va Beach, VA. I recall their second album cover and hot it depicted Va Beach, Va as this ghetto neighborhood that looked like south central. TOTALLY fiction. <br /><br />it's sad to see people you know PROMOTE very bad things that helped to destroy our community.<br /><br />Just thought i put that in thereAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205384167481897308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-59866759527008699612009-05-05T21:44:00.000-04:002009-05-05T21:44:00.000-04:00re: pic, thanks. had to go all the way to serbia t...re: pic, thanks. had to go all the way to serbia to achieve that level of gangster.<br /><br />Hell naw. Wasn't a Part of Crim and Punishment in Serbia..Hell naw. Where you @ now Ms. Traveln' bear?<br /><br /><br />re: individuation... curious, huh? lol. not sure where to begin. i actually kinda free styled that one, it having been a seedling planted from a life lived between [at least] two worlds. i'll get back to you on that.<br /><br />====<br />Im saying. Im intrigued and want to hear more.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-44996620170311436592009-05-05T17:53:00.000-04:002009-05-05T17:53:00.000-04:00re: pic, thanks. had to go all the way to serbia t...re: pic, thanks. had to go all the way to serbia to achieve that level of gangster.<br /><br />re: individuation... curious, huh? lol. not sure where to begin. i actually kinda free styled that one, it having been a seedling planted from a life lived between [at least] two worlds. i'll get back to you on that.ieishahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351048799735156173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-87088416171906517452009-05-05T15:52:00.000-04:002009-05-05T15:52:00.000-04:00@Ieisah,
Your avi Picture is awesome.
You know w...@Ieisah,<br /><br />Your avi Picture is awesome.<br /><br />You know whats wierd, when I heard Malice speak I was like dang,<br />there is some subtext (wassup Jonzey) to this dude<br />that doesn't come across in his music.<br /><br />I truly want to hear him rap about MORE than Crack now.<br /><br />Tell me more about this individuation and negros. I am curious.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-30365390141807756242009-05-05T15:10:00.000-04:002009-05-05T15:10:00.000-04:00i thought they said malice was the meanest? he's l...i thought they said malice was the meanest? he's like a powder puff in that video.<br /><br />unfortunately, individuation is not valued in the black community. used to be for good reason, as the system we lived in treated black people like herds and separating ourselves from it meant death. now, the price of individuation, separating from the heard, is paid (in my opinion) more often than not, to the black community itself. dudes in the first video said it best; you sit where you not supposed to, you're in danger of, at least, an ass whooping. i think so many young'uns, as you said, don't know the difference between rap and real life. they accept the image as theirs, when really, it's ancestral memory clouding their vision.<br /><br />the dopest rappers see this. play on it. what did you think malice was saying when he was like, 'you mistook me for a rapper, huh?/well that makes me and actor', some shit like that can be read two ways: i'm not a rapper, i'm a criminal' or what i think's more accurate: 'make no mistake: you and i, we are not the same', as in 'i'm my own man. i'm not your image'<br />okay. i'm gonna stop now.ieishahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351048799735156173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-26045390887919189392009-05-05T12:58:00.000-04:002009-05-05T12:58:00.000-04:00Hey M.Z.
[Dude, can you pdf me that honey magazin...Hey M.Z.<br /><br />[Dude, can you pdf me that honey magazine w/ Kim? Where you the one who said you had it?]<br /><br />"We" may know that its faker than a three dollar bill. But the young bucks, the ONES THAT HE CLAIMS TO BE RAPPING for are impressionable, special and need to be guided.<br /><br />Fuck that. Either Rap about your cracks and say you sell crack or don't.<br /><br />What if I wrote about Black women this, integrity that, white consumption of Black death,<br /><br />But, the whole time Im working at a strip club manager, selling weed, recruiting teen prostitutes.<br /><br />"One of these cats is doing they own thing..."<br />Where is my integrity?<br /><br />Like I said, white consumption of Black death drives a large part of rap music.<br /><br />Living proof, let the Clips start rapping about real shit.<br /><br />1. Depression<br />2. Baby Mommas<br />3. Managers Catching cases<br />4. Having to rap about selling crack when you really don't sell crack, just to keep your name in the street.<br /><br />Rap would be a different world.Model Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-78875939533282531392009-05-05T03:13:00.000-04:002009-05-05T03:13:00.000-04:00Funny thing is that video along with their mixtape...Funny thing is that video along with their mixtape kind of restored my faith in the Clipse(like I told you before, that 20k/tree hugging bitch line rubbed me the wrong way too, for a different reason). It seemed like it was them pushing the reset button in a sense. The thought of distancing themselves from their former manager didn't really click until you mentioned it. Because his second one goes right back into the fantasy world.<br /><br />I was just telling someone at work the reason he didn't like Notorious is because both the movie and music industry are fantasy places. Both allow people to assume whatever characteristics they want. So when one tries to capture the other, it seems surreal. Especially since he liked movies based on fact.<br /><br />Lastly, the difference between now and when we were coming up is we know it's a charade. But back then it seemed so real. I think Malice did a good job of explaining that.<br /><br />Enough of my early morning ramblings though.M.Z.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11197521834539980946noreply@blogger.com