tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post5588343023426742787..comments2023-11-05T05:17:45.320-05:00Comments on Model Minority "Thugs, Feminists and Boom Bap": Asher Roth x Don Imus x Nappy Headed Ho'sM.Dot.http://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-33047607668623004022009-05-22T01:17:52.265-04:002009-05-22T01:17:52.265-04:00Welcome to The-Magazines.comSitemapConatctHere you...Welcome to The-Magazines.com<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=sitemap" REL="nofollow">Sitemap</A><A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=contact" REL="nofollow">Conatct</A>Here you can find the list of magazines. Read magazines online <br /><br />covering current events, finance, fashion, arts and crafts, travel, celebrity, lifestyle, health and fitness, business, <br /><br />finance, photography, animal, religion, politics ETC...<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=african_american_magazines" REL="nofollow">AfricanAmericanMagazines</A>Magazines have been evolved entertainment into many forms.<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=animalmagazine" REL="nofollow">AnimalMagazines</A> Magazines are widely used by people, but have you <br /><br />ever experienced buying magazines from the internet.<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=art_magazines" REL="nofollow">ArtMagazines</A> Magazines have been evolved entertainment into many forms. <A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=arts_and_crafts_magazines" REL="nofollow">ArtsandCraftsMagazines</A>Magazines are widely used by people, but have you ever experienced buying magazines from the internet? Well we've heard many <br /><br />times of online shop, online games, online advertising but have you ever heard an online magazine shop? <A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=auto_magazines" REL="nofollow">AutoMagazines</A>There are a lot of magazines out there that caters to all hobbies or taste of a person towards entertainment such as Art <br /><br />magazines, Auto magazines, Business and Finance magazines, Children magazines, Cooking and Food magazines, Entertainment <br /><br />magazines, Fashion magazines, Health and Fitness magazines, Home and Gardening magazines, Lifestyle magazines, Men`s <br /><br />magazines, Photography magazines, Riligion magazines, Teen magazines, Political Magazines, Women`s magazines……ETC<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=car_magazines" REL="nofollow">CarMagazines</A>magazines for blacks<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=cars_and_trucks_magazines" REL="nofollow">CarsandTrucksMagazines</A>This Magazines is the number one magazines for the informed and stylish black male. Black Men offers African-American men <br /><br />news and articles on positive lifestyle, fashion, sports, health and fitness....Magazines for Blacks <br />TV and Movies Magazines<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=finance_magazines" REL="nofollow">FinanceMagazines</A> To help you in making sure you get the right home theater system at the right price, start reading a few home theater <br /><br />tv and movies magazines, which feature articles written by experts in the business.....TV and Movies Magazines<br />Christianity Magazines<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=computer_magazines" REL="nofollow">ComputerMagazines</A>Christianity Magazines books are among the most preferred literature for children and adults alike. They not only tell <br /><br />miraculous stores but teach lessons for life.There are quite a lot Christian books published nowadays....Christianity <br /><br />Magazines <A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=electronics_magazines" REL="nofollow">ElectronicsMagazines</A> Save up to 80% off the cover price when you subscribe to Hobbies Magazines Online! Hobbies Magazines Subscriptions<br />Cars and Trucks Magazines<br /> After I bought my truck, I spent a lot of time just driving through this great country and I enjoyed this time. <br /><br />Regarding the protection of my car, I figured out that truck mud flaps are valuable and so I ended up buying them <br /><br />instantly....Cars and Trucks Magazines <br />Arts and Crafts Magazines<A HREF="http://the-magazines.com/?action=hunting_magazines" REL="nofollow">HuntingMagazines</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-81513839415311208612009-05-13T12:47:00.000-04:002009-05-13T12:47:00.000-04:00Thanks for dropping my name- stay real my brother!...Thanks for dropping my name- stay real my brother!<br /><br />Tionna SmallsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-8417904884551463852009-04-28T22:55:00.000-04:002009-04-28T22:55:00.000-04:00@V Scratch
I agree, but not as casual as we use "...@V Scratch<br /><br />I agree, but not as casual as we use "hoe." Oftentimes, we use it as a term that encompasses large swaths of black women. I have seen it used that way several times. that argument about "they are not talking about certain kinds of black women" is played.<br /><br />saying that it is a "play on words" is again deferring blame. There is such a thing as control language. <br /><br />a good example is how the term black is used to denote something bad (black mail, black listed, black balled, etc. or how the definition of black denotes something negative on several levels). <br /><br />When I used the Arab analogy I did not mean to downplay on their sexist oppression either. Heck, Arabs can be just as racist as whites.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205384167481897308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-70742477243961336052009-04-28T20:32:00.000-04:002009-04-28T20:32:00.000-04:00Manean,
Wow...Good to see you around these parts....Manean,<br /><br />Wow...Good to see you around these parts....the last I heard from you was Jan!?!?!??!<br /><br />Hip Hop is a little different from Jazz, just based on the sheer amount of money that is made off of it AND the perpetuation of so many negative images.<br /><br />I hear you tho.M.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-60659513801691876572009-04-28T19:51:00.000-04:002009-04-28T19:51:00.000-04:00Thx for this post
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"Hyperbole...Thx for this post<br />.<br />-----------------<br />.<br />"Hyperbole" means exaggeration of *what's being said*. It is not saying something else. If Messrs Baiden and Imus exaggerate their hateful comments about women in this way, their underlying unexaggerated message remains hateful.<br />.<br />In contrast -- not hyperbole/exaggeration -- compare the tenor of their comments to this:<br />.<br />"If you want something to last forever, you treat it differently. You shield it and protect it. You never abuse it. You don't expose it to the elements. You don't make it common or ordinary. If it ever becomes tarnished, you lovingly polish it until it gleams like new. It becomes special *because you have made it so*, and it grows more beautiful and precious as time goes by.<br />.<br />"Eternal marriage is just like that. We need to treat it just that way. I pray that we may see it for the priceless gift that it is."<br />- F. Burton Howard<br />.<br />-----------------<br />.<br />As you noted, Hip Hop's mainstreaming/assimilation is just latest down the same road that jazz went. These are examples of what is both the survival secret and the nemesis of our open culture. As Allan Bloom noted, "There is in American society a mad rush to distinguish oneself, and, as soon as something has been accepted as distinguishing, to package it in such a way that everyone can feel included." <br />-- "The Closing of the American Mind," p. 183<br />.<br />Earlier I watched acceptance, not defeat, end the hippie movement and the same pattern keeps weaving itself among us as cultural innovations' suffusion dilutes them to the lowest common denominator that will embrace them.manaenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477422681100540710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-66128322509012969652009-04-27T21:10:00.000-04:002009-04-27T21:10:00.000-04:00@ V
Look atchu getting all radical? Lols...You no...@ V<br /><br />Look atchu getting all radical? Lols...You normally STAY beefin w/ me lols.<br /><br />When you gonna let me hold somma of those sketches for BK Magic. Peep it. www.brooklynmagic.comM.Dot.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05113752779973426025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-50112602872776178762009-04-27T19:06:00.000-04:002009-04-27T19:06:00.000-04:00@Brother OMi,
Plenty of white men refer to women a...@Brother OMi,<br />Plenty of white men refer to women as whores. Ho, whore it is just a play on words.<br /><br />Are you aware of the reports of how women are treated in the Middle East in arab communities?<br /><br />@Gordon Gartrelle,<br />2. While it may be difficult to prove that corporate executives at large dictate* what rappers are putting out, there is proof to suggest that conglomerate media companies influence the material rappers put out. Examples, there are many. See Dr. Dre's career, he went from been there, done that to Chronic 2001. He was quite candid prior to about the music he wanted to do and eventually chose to do after his Death Row departure. Jay-Z went from critically underwhelming Kingdom Come to American Gangster. He's been very open in a number of his songs about fans and record companies expectations compared to the material he would like to or would record.<br /><br /> <br />*There have been a number of recording artists that have stated there was a direct pressure to record more urban-street-bang-bang material. I'm not sure if many people heard about the shenanigans involving young Keke Palmer, record executives wanted her to be another Lil Kim. The story was not picked up by many media outlets.<br /><br />@m.dot,<br />I feel that if Black people want to really take racism seriouly then black people should not ignore sexism. (co-sign)Vee (Scratch)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06565744565399935705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-14996948109184975242009-04-27T06:39:00.000-04:002009-04-27T06:39:00.000-04:00@Gordon:
never heard a white man refer to a white ...@Gordon:<br />never heard a white man refer to a white woman as ho. But i have heard plenty of white men refer to black women as hoes. <br /><br />Never heard an arab refer to his woman as a ho, either. <br /><br />Still, as Black men we should STOP it. Bottom line. I think you are just deferring blame. <br /><br />@M.dot, dug the post but Asher Roth can catch a beatdown any day even without saying what he said.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205384167481897308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-73443670974886061622009-04-26T22:22:00.000-04:002009-04-26T22:22:00.000-04:00Thanks for responding, m. dot.
"The division of B...Thanks for responding, m. dot.<br /><br /><I>"The division of Black women into Queens/Bitches only serves to maintain sexism and Patriarchy for that matter."</I>Again, it may be sexist, but it has nothing to do with black women in particular. That's the false meme I'm talking about. Making it about black women reinforces tired narratives about black women's victimhood at the hands of black men and their white corporate sponsors.<br /><br /><I>"Black men do NOT have the power to determine who is an isn't a ho, Corporate rap executives MAY TELL THEM that."</I>1.) It should be clear that I'm not co-signing the way many artists depict women; I'm merely providing a more accurate description than the ones offered in the weak popular discourse on hip hop. It matters because people make all kinds of ridiculous leaps in logic based on their incorrect claims about how black men and rap fans view black women.<br /><br />2.) The notion that corporate execs dictate what rappers talk about is bunk. That's conspiracy-theory stuff that helps the critics define the "hip hop industrial complex" as a nexus of capitalist exploitation, patriarchy, and racism. <br /><br /><br />And I gives a flying fuck about Asher Roth and his fans, so I may not have interesting to add to that discussion. I'll definitely be checking back, though.gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-23068899428950121612009-04-26T21:37:00.000-04:002009-04-26T21:37:00.000-04:00@ TPW...OOh Your Book Club sounds JOUSAY!!
Maybe y...@ TPW...OOh Your Book Club sounds JOUSAY!!<br />Maybe you should Run the book club on the Negro Book site. Maybe we can have more than one...and you can do one of them..I dunno..I am learning as a go..<br /><br />Re-Black Pain..You know me...I don't rank the oppression. It's a shell game. Victims HAVE no right to be oppressors. African Americans, Rwandans, Armenians, Jews. No one.<br /><br />@GG<br />Good to see you stopping by. I just put your site in my reader and I find myself laughing outloud at the posts.<br /><br />In rap, there's a common understanding that there is a distinction between "women" and "hos" based entirely on behavior and values.<br />=====<br />I don't make this distinction.<br />The division of Black women into Queens/Bitches only serves to maintain sexism and Patriarchy for that matter. <br /><br />Black men do NOT have the power to determine who is an isn't a ho, Corporate rap executives MAY TELL THEM that. But ennnnh. No. What I do with my body is none of their business, so long as I am making healthy sustainable sexual choices.<br /><br />Black women have enough legitimate claims to victimhood. There's no need to invent claims.<br />======<br />I don't do victim hood. Victimhood will keep me reacting instead of being a visionary which is what I am working on.<br />I believe that every person has agency and a will to act or at least the ability to pray for the willingness.<br /><br />Black women are not Victims. We held this country down every since the beginning of chattel slavery and will continue to do so, at least until some cheaper labor comes along.<br /><br />I am working on a post about Asher Roth and Black Masculinity that will address your comments further.<br /><br />I look forward to your comments.<br /><br />-m.dotModel Minorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364810029145290617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-82655697422404454972009-04-26T19:38:00.000-04:002009-04-26T19:38:00.000-04:00"we need to... acknowledge that many Black rappers...<I>"we need to... acknowledge that many Black rappers and Black men, and for that matter Black women, refer to Black women, reflexively, as 'hoes.'"</I>In the 15 or 20 years that this meme has been circulating, I've never heard any public figure challenge this blatant falsehood. <br /><br />Among other things, "ho" can mean:<br /><br />1.) male coward;<br />2.) prostitute (literally);<br />3.) promiscuous woman (or man nowadays);<br />4.) sexually adventurous woman, i.e. "freak."<br />5.) woman in general.<br /><br />One thing "ho" has never meant (at least to black men and hip hop heads) is "BLACK woman." That's an invention of uncritical rap opponents.<br /><br />In rap, there's a common understanding that there is a distinction between "women" and "hos" based entirely on behavior and values. The Madonna/whore frame is still sexist, but even this crude frame shows just how wrong it is to say that all (black) women are "hos" to black men and rap fans.<br /><br />I understand that those combating negative images of black women have their hands full, but relying on this falsehood doesn't help. Instead of treating the "ho" problem for what it is--an expression of sexism no different from any other--many are happy thinking about it as a rap thing or as emblematic of tensions unique to black men and women. <br /><br />Black women have enough legitimate claims to victimhood. There's no need to invent claims.gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-56155401716021946942009-04-26T11:59:00.000-04:002009-04-26T11:59:00.000-04:00yesterday at my book club mtg, we were discussing ...yesterday at my book club mtg, we were discussing the book Standing At The Scratch Line and the conversation got into the power dynamics between black men/women. the novel is set in the early 20th century throughout the south. one woman commented on how the black male characters treated their wives/daughters/other black women. she was disturbed/angered that some of the black women treated the women similarly to how they were treated by whites, as less than/property. we got into the whole conversation of black men being emasculated by the larger society & then taking "control" or exerting their power on the only people less powerful...black women/children. i know bell hooks writes about this, and she would agree with you. racism can't/won't end until we (black folk) take a look at the sexism in our own communities. perhaps some of that sexism stems from the lack of value placed on black male--and by extension--black female life. <br /><br />i would argue that it is still MORE offensive for a white/non-black person to talk shit about black people because of the power dynamic. on our best day, we don't not have the power to systematically affect the lives of whites. by the sheer fact that white people are still very much empowered, control the media ( i mean, they are promoting the popular hip hop, own the companies, etc), gives them MORE power than we have. black people defaming over black folks is just wrong. however, i don't feel the two instances are equal. but that's just me.the prisoner's wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160398635149797677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-40822826333777766742009-04-24T22:22:00.000-04:002009-04-24T22:22:00.000-04:00I love how whites don't have to do anything until ...I love how whites don't have to do anything until blacks are perfect in their eyes. "Why are you singling this guy out when black men say it all the time." Then why do we arrest murderers when murders happen all the time? Why do we bother single out one murderer when there are tons of them?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876511620026324245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-58788065751360628462009-04-24T16:55:00.000-04:002009-04-24T16:55:00.000-04:00i'm with you.i'm with you.UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248194595900627574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-30679378209716198192009-04-24T15:21:00.000-04:002009-04-24T15:21:00.000-04:00hatred of black women is no less dangerous when it...hatred of black women is no less dangerous when it comes from black mouthsmodest-goddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349577841986972240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14243811.post-76483205841549056272009-04-24T14:33:00.000-04:002009-04-24T14:33:00.000-04:00Co-sign to the 10th power. So much I want to say h...Co-sign to the 10th power. So much I want to say here, not enough space.Dioracathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162740197207940299noreply@blogger.com