Thursday, August 02, 2007

Feminist's and Hip Hop Don't Mix. Part II.

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M.dot: I have two questions.
When thinking about rappers who participate in the exploitation of the Black body (hiring video vixens to dance half naked in their videos, the use of b*tch and ho as a general word to describe women, etc), what's the source of these overt displays of hate and sexual availability towards the Black women? As Dead Prez chants, is this really bigger than hip hop?

M.dot: Is the root of the problem the system in which these black men are allowed to express themselves under?
I think that system allows it because corporations main purpose is to make $$ for its shareholders. Nothing more, nothing less.

TMR: At the simplest core, I am relating more to our similarities of oppression that I allow certain sexist and misogynistic lyrics to be overshadowed by a deeper knowledge of oppression that no lyric can bound me by?

M.dot: Can you restate this for the non Ph.D in bellhooksian semiotics.

TMR: Saying "Bitches and niggas" can never have the same power as institutionalized racism� Now that's some real shit. Perhaps the fact that I knowing this, on a critical level, offset the impression that these words can have on my self esteem in a way that the untrained youth don't or can't.

M.Dot: THis is what I want for the world. Let the music BE. Give the young bucks the abil to analyze it on their own.

M.Dot: And what about the video vixen� Am I not doing the same thing in the club? Do I need to smarten up my game and get paid for the dances I do?
TMR: I think about the 6 degrees of seperation all the time.

TMR: We're all hoes to the capitalist society in which we live. We merely are working to pay bills though some of us are lucky to make money in a field that we thoughouly enjoy…but even in those fields we often can find conflict with integrity and self.

M.Dot: "
And if we all are, then is the sh*t that we say about vixens just projecting on them what we don't like about life and having to work in general?"

Mdot: Are you asking if I feel that they really don't want to do this, but the need for money makes them and it is unacceptable for them to do this because they actually want to or like it?

TMR:
Most of us work out of necessity not out of will. We are in a society that has used the Black female body for its own use and now that She decides she wants a piece of the profit we demoralize and demean her choice of profession?

TMR: Choice plagues and frees us all. Statistically showing, I'm not suppose to be as successful (subjective to the socially constructed definition of the word) as I am today. But my success hasn't come without my own share of compromises of integrity. I have cooperated with my oppressors for the sake of getting my foot in the door but have I made a dent in the systematic abuse of power of my oppression� Probably not.

The gain for capital is a no holds bar game in which few apologies are made, so in that sense I hold The Man and his capitalist system accountable.

Oh but my Black rapper Brother, I hold you accountable for your actions. If these are only lyrics just to "Get By" and "Get Money" make me believe it.

Let me see you flip that money back into the system that gave you the conditions for the lyrics you write and make a difference for the next. Let me see you start programs in the hood for little girls with self esteem issues, little boys with violent backgrounds. Let me see you flip that money in a way that enhances the Black worth instead of the exploitation of it.

M.Dot: I don't want programs, b/c in all liklihood, they are not gonna happen.
I would be satisfied w/ artist who can make dope music and young bucks w/ critical faculties.

TMR: But how can the latter happen without the investment from someone to their community?

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Do you think we let the Vixens off easliy?
Do you think we let the rappers off easily?

What did you agree or disagree with regarding the questions and
the answers?

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7 comments:

neo said...

double post huh?

M.Dot. said...

THAT was an editing error.

Was trying to Blog and talk to my bro.

Duly amended.

Illaim said...

I was like…wtf is semiotics lol

I don’t think anyone is letting the “Vixens” off to easily. They like so many others on the front lines of our economic system, (neo field niggaz) they receive the brunt of the venom and slander, while those who pull the strings sit back and laugh while checking stock quotes.

Rappers getting off easy???? Like Isiah Whitlock Jr in a Spike Lee joint..

“Shhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiitttttttttttt”

Them media devils are trying to SHUT DOWN one of our main forms of communication.

They’re some neo field niggaz to, even tho some are Comfy Hoes, when it comes to “Blaming” a narrow scope with pinpoint accuracy is aimed at mc’s

“M.Dot: THis is what I want for the world. Let the music BE. Give the young bucks the abil to analyze it on their own.”

I agree, but if we don’t find some way stop the manipulation of what the “kids” can get exposed to, then their studies will continue to me steered in sinister way

We are only what we get a opportunity to analyze

TMR
“We are in a society that has used the Black female body for its own use and now that She decides she wants a piece of the profit we demoralize and demean her choice of profession?”

This line has irked me a little. Maybe cuz I’m still trying to figure out if I fully understand what is being conveyed or not. Money doesn’t justify action. I don’t look at video vixens with nearly as much disdain, but to me that line of logic is like saying. “Whites have been demeaning Black People forever, but soon as the Waynes Bros start getting money for doing the same thing, then you wanna talk bad about them”

Sorry F*** Shawn and Marlon

“M.Dot: I don't want programs, b/c in all liklihood, they are not gonna happen.”


Grrrrrrrr lol

M.Dot. said...

We are only what we get a opportunity to analyze
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While this is a revelent statement, I don't agree with it.

"OUR THINKING REFLECTS WHAT WE GET AN OPPORUNTITY TO ANALYZE".

^^^^what do you think about that?

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Illy, dude.
I know you like programs.
I like programs.

BUT in reality, while I didn't discuss this on IM w/ you, my preference is for a black wall street. W/ VOTING power. Word to Birkhold/Minnesota and SJ.

With the combination of these two, man, Negros would be unstoppable, except with automatic weapons.

Illaim said...

Lol

Yeah you tightened my statement up lol

Even “upgraded” it as the kids like to say

“With the combination of these two, man, Negros would be unstoppable, except with automatic weapons.”

You have no idea how hard I lauged at the last four words of your statement.



I hear you… hmmmm if Chris Rock is right…white people are nicer now and maybe they won’t drop bombs on a new Black Wall street like they did in Tulsa…………

As far as voting power….If you think your pragmatic with the economic side of things…………… me n poly sci.... .man

M.Dot. said...

“With the combination of these two, man, Negros would be unstoppable, except with automatic weapons.”
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Naw.

Im so sincurrrre.

Cash w/o votes is like like a rapper w/ mad cake, crazy baby mommmas, gold on loans...etccc.

Blogging from Berkeley ROCKS!

Stephen said...

Oklahoma = The Promised Land

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